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14/05/2009 19:05
 

Hi Guys

I think to have any more changes in the league structure could be too confusing, we have some that can't even grasp the fairly straight forward way it is run right now.  Speaking on behalf of Salisbury (and I've not checked with them yet) to increase the number of times we play each team would leave us with little or no training between matches, unfortunately where we are we have to close before Christmas because of exams and again through May and June, I apprecite that is our problem and not the league, but it's still something to consider.

I do think the club Chairmans and Secretarys (as a suggestion) should be expected to attend or send a representative to a WVA meeting, but who calls these is still up for discussion.  I know the WVA committee as we knew it no longer exists, but perhaps this should be done on a rota basis through the clubs, although the treasurer and league positions will have to be a steady person.

What exactly is the promotion/relegation position this year, is it the top two/bottom two swap - I don't remember and I couldn't find the info o the website.

 
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15/05/2009 11:48
 

I don't necessarily think the WVA needs a single chairperson or vice chair. If we can get agreement and commitment from each team in the league to attend one meeting each season and support the decisions made in that meeting I think it could work. As a group I think we should be able to make this happen.

Can I propose a date of Wednesday 29th July 2009 at 7:30pm? Does anyone have an appropriate (and free) venue we can use?

P.S The leagues are planned to be 2 up 2 down this season, if the same teams re-enter next season. This would be up for agreement at the proposed meeting.

 
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18/05/2009 12:40
 

Hello Again

I agree that perhaps we don't need a formal chairperson, we are afterall supposed to be grown ups, although a clear idification of who is supposed to do a specific task, like seeing who is available to meetings etc.  Otherwise there is the small select few of us that use these lovely forums and perhaps the people that need to see the messages don't.

Who do you want at the meeting - I propose the Chairperson from each club, but another representative.  Not always the secretary or coach, because they are not always the decision makers in clubs.

If you have a think, I will send a message to Tim anyway, who is our Chairman at the mo to see if he is available.

lyns

 
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07/06/2009 12:01
 

Here are some ideas to play with (you can compare pros and cons of each).  I assume we have a total of 15-16 teams.

1. Traditional league, 8 months, 3 divs of 5 or 6 teams, play H and A (as 2007-08 season)

Pros: Low maintenance during season (for league sec and club fixture secs); well understood.

Cons: 8-10 games per season is too few. (could play each other 3 times, but unequal H & A balance)

2. Traditional league, 8 months, 2 divs of 8 teams, play H and A (as 2008-09 season)

Pros: 14 games per season; low maintenance during season (for league sec and club fixture secs); well understood

Cons: Large imbalance in standard between top and bottom teams, some don't enjoy, many teams have little to play for.

3. Two leagues per year, 4 months each, 3 divs of 5 or 6 teams

Pros: c16 games per season; more teams have more to play for; more frequent sorting of standard (promotion/relegation twice per year), so better balance of competitors.

Cons: Two sets of fixtures to sort (more work for league sec and club fixture sec); costs three sets of medals x 2 pa!

4. 2 divs of 8 play each team once, then split top half / bottom half of each into 2 divs of 4 play H and A

Pros: 13 games per season; everyone exposed to range of standards in first half of season then more evenly matched in second half of season; more teams have more to play for (all 4 mini-divs win medals)

Cons: Two sets of fixtures to sort (more work for league sec and club fixture sec); costs four sets of medals x 1 pa.

NB: There may be smart ways of mitigating the problem of two sets of fixtures per season (options 3 and 4)... eg in August publish all match dates (weeks) to April, so that everyone knows when (which week) they're playing even if (for the second half) they don't know who they're playing until January (or which day of the week for away games).

DK Cup

Re-drawing the fixtures every round seems unecessary work, and cause delay for clubs booking fixtures.  The entire competition can be drawn before the season starts (like Wimbledon fixtures... and you could even introduce seeding if desired), and dates published for each round plus the final.  Every team then knows it has to reserve fixed H/A dates in case they progress, and it's less work for the cup organiser plus club fixture secs.

Ladies & Junior League

This is essential for the health of Wilts volleyball.  Commitment to regular league fixtures would be difficult because we don't have a huge stock of women and juniors (especially in some clubs) and participants often play for teams in WVA and NVL, or are irregular/casual.  So a tournament format works reasonably well - it's very friendly, everyone gets lots of volleyball on the day, and it doesn't need regular commitment.  As always, it would help if the 4-5 dates were published before the season starts, and stuck to.  Recognising that full attendance is unlikely, I would suggest the league is decided on win% rather than aggregate wins, subject to a minimum attendance threshold (eg must attend, say, 2 dates out of 4 or 3/5 to qualify for championship ranking).

Personally I would favour some novel thinking to freshen up the WVA mixed leagues!

Cheers, Phil.

 

 
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